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ADDENDUM to QUESTION 6

I forgot to mention the analysis of fiscal risks in particular those of SoE's but this is more a current development in PFM than something for the future.

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QUESTION 6

John,

My career in consulting is just a bit shorter than yours.

When I started in development there were projects, budget inputs and activities.
Now it is normal to talk about costed strategies, programmes and budget performance.

Yet I see a plateau in the PFM reform process, recently. The next big thing appears to be the extension of accrual accounting to developing and transition countries.
What is your take on the above and what you see in the future for the PFM reform?
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MORE ON QUESTION 3

Regarding question 3, there is a small scale (so far) agreement between some countries to limit oil and gas - BOGA - https://beyondoilandgasalliance.com/
A friend of mine in the Irish NGO - Feasta - is currently writing a paper on how the alliance can be expanded - the EU being a key target!
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RESPONSES TO QUESTION 5

Alban,

Q1. Paradoxically I think it strengthens the case for Medium-Term Budget Planning (MTBP).  Typically, MTBP is made up of a fiscal table which looks at revenue projections and rolling over of existing policies and what that would mean for borrowing which may be constrained by fiscal rules.  Estimated fiscal space would indicate if new policies and /or improvement in standards are possible. Rolling over of existing policies would determine what is being delivered in terms of services such as education in but also pensions.  Such services as education have to be planned in the medium term.  Provision for pandemics, climate change etc. are “usually” paid for from contingency but if these are thought to be more of a frequent but unplanned event either the contingency has to be increased or there is sufficient fiscal space from increasing revenues and/or borrowing.  This may require more prudent annual/medium-term commitments and also use of a supplementary budget to deal with these in-year adjustments.  Indeed, in the case of likely but unpredictable in the short-term climate change that may happen in the medium term, contingency provisions for such events may be best to be accumulated (when unspent) so that when disasters do occur there is some funding in place to deal with the emergencies. 

Recent events were generally paid by increased borrowing but that may not be sustainable in the medium to long term. But it is difficult to see how core services such as education could be cut if a country is to progress.  So, in that context MTBP is essential so that these core services are planned and delivered over the medium term and are the basis of expenditure projections.  It may be that non-core services may have to be cut to make way for increased contingency or greater fiscal space.  Configuring core services becomes a challenge.  Ultimately it will be a political decision and often politicians have short term vision!

Q2 The focus of line-item budgeting is on input costs and their control.  Programme budgeting adds a further dimension to it but the line-item element is still there.  The main difference (simplistically!) is that programme budgeting should focus on delivery of services measured by outputs/objectives/outcomes – the Key Performance Indicators (KPI) and assigning the inputs (the Line Items) to achieve them.  There is nothing to stop KPIs being assigned to administrations (the other classification item) but generally programmes are considered to be more amenable for that purpose. 

Most of the countries that I have been involved in over the past few years have successfully implemented programme budgeting.  A key element of this has been the development of appropriate IT and software.  However, at the times too many KPIs may have been specified for programmes that complicate things and in some cases country wide KPIs are not specified for common local authority services that make intra country comparisons of the same service not possible.  The development and roll out of programme budgeting is not an overnight event. Generally speaking, those countries that have done this successfully have been able to focus expenditure on better delivery of key services and ultimately economic development even though fine-tuning is required.

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Hi John,

QUESTION 5


1.  Last 3 years we have been faced with extraordinary situation (COVID-19, energy crisis) and associated uncertainties.  Due to this situation, governments were forced to intervene with direct support by using ad-hoc decisions.  Considering this, where do you see the future of Medium Term Budget Planning, and do you think current practices should become a normality?
2. From your experience, what's the impact on the development process for countries that move from line-item budgeting to programme budgeting?
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The discussion in https://pfmboard.com/index.php?topic=9160.msg31672#new would be an example of initial technical efficiency would lead to considerable savings and allocative efficacy in carrying out research on impact analysis.
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ANSWER TO QUESTION 4

Mauro
I have not heard the podcast.  Technical efficiency should apply to both the private and public sectors.  That would be the basis of looking at alternative ways of delivering a service or outputs.  But the costs of the technical inputs must be a factor – otherwise there is not really the possibility to compare different alternatives in a cost benefit analysis.  In the PFM system there may be different technical ways of doing something – say keeping accounts – using handwritten ledgers then progressing to excel/databases and on to the IT driven TSA/IFMIS etc.  Here the technical efficiency will be so great that the alternatives would not even be considered.  This would apply to revenue service management as well.  If I look at the PFM IT system in Georgia (where I write this from) the application of IT in government record keeping has released government officials from very mundane bookkeeping to more productive work in both the public and private sectors as the numbers needed to keep the records are less.  And there are significantly different skills which the bookkeepers will have acquired. This delivers data in real time which is a significant boon to decision making. This would be an example of technical efficiency in PFM where input cost compared to alternatives would unlikely be a factor even if the capital cost is much greater. But I cannot see how technical efficiency would not be a factor in decision-making in the public sector.  There is a difference in the systems in place now and what the alternatives may be if they are changed.  But costs and benefits which would include technical efficiencies as they cannot be ignored and have to be part of the CBA.

Re podcasts I am a bit of a dinosaur here.  I don’t think I have listened to one. Perhaps I should learn to use them when on my exercise bike instead of listening to the news or music on the radio. But only if they are useful podcasts. There would be little of no additional cost, and I may get more outputs for my input. Or when walking.  However, if I cannot hear an approaching lorry on a country road there is a danger of getting run down.  So the alternative cost benefit should be considered in all these examples!
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QUESTION 4

John,

Recently Srinivas Gurazada, Head of the PEFA Secretariat, made an interesting point about the difference between allocative efficiency and technical efficiency. We all know about the importance of allocative efficiency when deciding priorities on expenditure allocations during MTBP and budget processes.

My question is on your views of how applying technical efficiency, a private sector concept, to PFM assessments. This in relation to both individual investment expenditures and more in general to expenditure prioritization. Are we talking about two separate worlds or techniacl efficiency should be better consider in PFM when doing planning, monitoring and assessment in Government?

Thank you, Mauro

PS: Srini, if you read this, can you please post the link of your video in relation to technical efficiency? I cannot find it.



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ANSWER TO QUESTION 3

Paul

Given the time taken to get that agreement on Corporation Tax I would not be too optimistic.  Add to the that, the inability to get the planned/expected consensus on climate change issues on the Glasgow COP I would be ever more pessimistic.  And that does not take into account tensions between the US and China and all the others linked to the Russian war in Ukraine. At best individual countries might take action where these can be linked to their geographical sovereignty if the political consensus recognises the issues, and of course there is that entity called the EC (remember that!) which may be able to generate some collective action.  In other words, the conditions for international agreement are not there.

 I suppose the more the Climate Change PEFA gets rolled out the more there may be awareness of the linkages between the “bads” as you call time and the overall PFM system.  PEFA in general has been rolled out extensively, but not in probably the more "bads" countries. But The Climate Change PEFAs may be only scratching at the surface but may raise awareness.
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Hi John

QUESTION 3

My question:  The globalisation of the world's economies has not been accompanied by a globalisation of the world's taxation system (the recent agreement on 15% minimum corporation tax by most countries being a rare exception).  Can you see a way forward to strengthen international taxation/charges?  I ask particularly as we have international "bads" such as fossil fuel extraction, deep sea trawling, sea bed mining (proposed), deforestation etc. which are not being disincentivised.
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