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just a big or even a Short thank you to all who have contributed to the conversation and those who have read it, even if being silent or though gritted teeth.  The PFM Board, in my opinion, provides an opportunity for all PFM practitioners to share with others their experiences and insights without the confines of the more institutional Blogs.  The PFM Community should use it in that spirit!

Thank you to Alban for managing the conversation and asking a pertinent question, and also to Lasha, Paul and Mauro.  I hope I met your expectations...a rhetorical question to finish!


John
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As announced in the beginning, the time has come to close our conversation with John Short based on his just-published book Public Finance Management and Development. 

The topic will be locked and archived for reading only, as of tomorrow.

Dear John,

On behalf of all PFM Boards let me thank you for sharing your time to share your insights and discuss with us on PFM and Development. I would like to invite you to provide a closing post before the conversation is locked. 

All the best,

Albani
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MORE ON QUESTION 8

Let me add

- Strong analytical thinking,
- Capacity to absorb and filter a lot of financial data and info,
- Understanding that the PFM reform cannot be a linear process. Talking about Georgia, I felt the Government got in a bad deal when they agreed to link several specific conditions in the EU Budget Support contract to the PEFA scores!

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Response to QUESTION 8

Fun! What’s that? PFM life is far too serious!  Or maybe not!
 
So here goes in the spirit of your question and given the width of PFM as the book tries to show.

There are a few positive things: be a team player – which includes everyone involved in the project/consultancy.  As consultants we work generally with a Ministry of Finance who is the client – not the other way round.  Be able to work to tight deadlines under pressure.  Show respect and listen but there is a need to be knowledgeable!  But don’t fob people off if you don’t really know the answer.  You can point them in the right direction by searching for it.  So have humility. Don't be an expert, it is a term I dislike!

Be sociable and respect the local culture – in Georgia that may involve toasts (not the burnt bread) type. Be able to talk about non-PFM things – in my case sport and particularly rugby.  In your case obscure Jazz!  Page 231 gives a good, even a great, example.  Some of our colleagues had good taste (and skills) for Karaoke!  Stamina is good!

All of the above means be resilient, in more ways than one!

And a few nots: Don’t be preachy. Don’t be aloof. 

And above all: be a team player.

Whether all of that distinguishes the PFM from the rest I am not sure to be fair.
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QUESTION 8

John,

We have entered the last week of our conversation. Let's have a bit of fun!

Which are the professional and personal characteristics, in your opinion, that make a PFM expert apart from the pack of development consultants?

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Response to Post on Fiscal Rule/question7.

Mauro
The PFM system is underpinned by a fiscal table which should have sustainability rules. Reading the article, I was struck by Figure 2 Euro Areas Fiscal Aggregates and Reference Values (Percentage of violation incidents), Figure 6 EU fiscal Governance: Key reform areas and Table 3 Comparisons of Fiscal Councils. While sound in concept I wonder of the practicality of “persuading” certain members to toe the fiscal rule line even if it is in their fiscal interest particularly within the added constraints of the euro.  The clash between politics and sound policy might be too great!
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QUESTION 7

More than a question, I want to share the IMF proposal on Reforming the EU Fiscal Framework: Strengthening the Fiscal Rules and Institutions' (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Departmental-Papers-Policy-Papers/Issues/2022/08/31/Reforming-the-EU-Fiscal-Framework-Strengthening-the-Fiscal-Rules-and-Institutions-The-EUs-518388 )

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The IMF’s proposal has three interconnected pillars:

Risk-based EU-level fiscal rules: While the current 3 percent deficit and 60 percent debt reference values remain, the speed and ambition of fiscal adjustments would be linked to the degree of fiscal risks. These are identified by debt sustainability analysis using a common methodology, developed by a new and independent European Fiscal Council, or EFC, in consultation with other key stakeholders. Countries with greater fiscal risks would need to converge to a zero or positive overall fiscal balance over the next three to five years. Countries with lower fiscal risks and debt below 60 percent would have more flexibility but still need to consider risks in their plans. The framework would incentivize buildup of fiscal buffers allowing for significant flexibility to respond to adverse shocks and conduct countercyclical policy.

Strengthened national fiscal insti­tutions: All EU countries would have to enact medium-term fiscal frameworks and set multi-year annual spending caps consistent with their overall balance anchor over the period. Independent national fiscal councils would play a stronger role to strengthen checks and balances at the country level, including making or endorsing macroeconomic projections, assessing fiscal risks, and ensuring the consistency of the expenditure ceilings and fiscal plans. The European Commission would continue to play its key surveil­lance role and the EFC would serve as the central node for a network of national fiscal councils, helping to promote good practices and providing an independent voice both on debt risks and the execution of the framework.

A well-designed EU fiscal capacity: This would be established to achieve two key roles: improving macroeconomic stabilization, especially when monetary policy is operating at the effective lower bound, and allowing the provision of common public goods at the EU level, such as climate change and energy security infrastructure. Delivering these has become more urgent due to the green transition and common security concerns. A dedicated climate investment fund is an important part of the proposal.
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John, the establishment of Fiscal Councils is not new. Their coordination at EU level is and sounds a wise step towards a slow process of fiscal policy convergence. What is you take on it?
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On with QUESTION 6

Mauro

Also, Jack Diamond's paper on sequencing which has been discussed on the PFM Board in https://pfmboard.com/index.php?topic=6478.msg19620#msg19620 and is referenced Page 86 of that book.  The Conversation with Marc Robinson is worth reading for those not familiar with it and rereading for those that may have read it. Indeed, the Fireplaces are all worthy of reflection!

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on with QUESTION 6

Thanks a lot, John.

'Getting the sequence right' is often challenged nowadays by 'seizing the moment'. You may remember the PFM platforms (see attachment).
I have seen some countries and some donors 'seizing the moment' and make PFM leaps through stages. Results were, mostly, mixed.

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Re QUESTION 6
Mauro
The important issue is getting the basics right and the sequencing right.  You list the progression but often there is a jump in the progression before steps have been taken. Take accrual accounting, there is lot to be done on cash management etc. and getting the basic financial statement sorted even on a cash basis.  Then modified, then full.  But is the architecture in place?  What about the state of physical asset registers? PEFA scores are low relative to other aspects of PFM.  A lot of work may well be needed there.  And you are right about SOEs but also fiscal risk – pandemic and climate changes are focusing attention there!   But countries are different and at different stages of progression so there should be lots to do!

If you are asking me to have a crystal ball, then capacity building in PFM may well be an area that could be addressed.  I don’t think PFM gets enough coverage in economic courses, and, of course, in all countries there is a need to expand experience in PFM.   

A short Short answer!
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